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TWY: Full Burn by RobCaswell TWY: Full Burn by RobCaswell
I figured it'd be fun to try to picture these things with fusion drives blazing... not that wimpy lil' red glow we get from "contemporary" impulse drives.

Romulan War Era models by Dave Metlesits' [link] Romulan War era ships (per the Starfleet Museum [link]). OBJ conversions by Wmwconnors. Planetary rings via Drell-7.

DAZ Studio render w/ Photoshop.
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VladSnyder Featured By Owner May 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awesome. I like it!
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 25, 2011  Professional General Artist
Thanks! :)
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Spookiie65 Featured By Owner May 23, 2011
I like it! not really 100% sure what all it is I like about it :confused: but I really really like it! =D
Looks......:hmm: believable?? :idea: yeah I'll go with that! I like it so much because it like like a very believable ship! =D
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 24, 2011  Professional General Artist
Well certainly more believable than the ole "saucers and nacelles" ;)
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DavidAkerson Featured By Owner May 22, 2011
Nice work, better than the Enterprise debacle.

Mazao sure played his cards right.
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
I agree. It's brings Trek back to the sci-fi fold.... at least a bit more.
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thefirstfleet Featured By Owner May 22, 2011
Now this is sexy!
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
Thanks Dave!!! :)
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Blades-123 Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I love the impression of velocity and power in this image.:)
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
Thanks - that's what I was shootin' for :)
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Night-Forager Featured By Owner May 22, 2011   General Artist
Great work!
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
Thanks.
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Night-Forager Featured By Owner May 22, 2011   General Artist
Any time ;)
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Fastmax Featured By Owner May 22, 2011
It good to see someone fit these old styled spacecraft designs into the pre-classic STAR TREK: Enterprise era.
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
You didn't get the memo? Star Trek: Enterprise never happened. It was all a bad dream.

No on with the (real) show!
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Fastmax Featured By Owner May 22, 2011
Are you saying that these two seperately made eras of the "DM ships" and "ST: Enterprise"... happen at the same time and that you favor the DM ships era, for now, instead????
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
I guess you could put it that way. But the bottom line is that I think Enterprise is a junk show. It's sorta to Trek what The Phantom Menace is to Star Wars... except less entertaining ;) To each their own, but as a long time Trekkie, Enterprise's past rang so "wrong" for me.
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Fastmax Featured By Owner May 22, 2011
I've heard alot of others not like "ST Enterprise".
What was so wrong to you about it? Can you please mention some "key specifics", in brief.
I wish to explore this a bit.

I did have a few inkling problems with them having "signature Treknology" like the transporter and the ship's saucer-type design.
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
Honestly, that's a tough call - mainly because it's so big a problem. Any expectations long time fan may have had about Trek's future-past were not met. It just felt totally wrong. But maybe most importantly, it was just a poorly written show. Dull and pretentious. I only watched four episodes, beginning to end, and regretted each one. And other times I'd tune in during an episode and just got bored to tears with its plodding, incoherent scripts. It seemed to be the epitome of the direction the franchise had been taking - that is, "who cares if it's any good, just stick the Star Trek name on it and we can sell it."

Honestly... that's why it's so hard. I disliked pretty much everything about it but the crew jumpsuits. It just felt like it was made to exploit, not celebrate, the expectations of Trek fans. Again, the comparison to Phantom Menace comes to mind.

I liked TOS because it was good. It entertained, had good characters, didn't talk down to its audience, was relevant, and presented a fresh sci-fi vision. Enterprise had none of those qualities... at least as far as I saw. I kept going back to it hoping they might get a clue and might improve, but even the celebrated fourth season left me either gnashing my teeth at the awful writing or just changing the channel in utter boredom... or at least the realization I could do something better with my time.

So that's the best I can do in a nutshell. And asking for more detail is really kind like asking me what I liked about a meal that made me sick. It was Star Trek in name only, IMHO. Perhaps it was because I had decades of built up expectations... but Peter Jackson showed such expectations CAN be met with LotR. So I'm left with the conclusion that the creative forces behind it either didn't know the show, or just didn't care.
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Fastmax Featured By Owner May 28, 2011
You're right, I feel, about it not meeting long-time fan expectations.
And it should have.
Cause some pre-history is set by the original show's episodes, the Earth-Romulan war, for obvious example did occur sometime within the "ST Enterprise's" time period, does it not? Myself haven't thoroughly researched that yet had some recall of such.
But for the writers to ignore it was a fatal mistake, or to have especially,.. skirted around it by playing with the timedate lines.

Then, for me, it came to the technological design of the show.
It wasn't "primitive looking/ or operating enough" to feel it precedes the classic era. In fact -I felt I was in the "classic" era.
I did like it for what it was.
Not for what it should have been.
It was after all a program to "continue the franchise" much as the last theatrical was, and I was massively disappointed with everything that was in that feature's production of "STAR TREK".

"Sci-fi", to me, in any medium,.. is about of "a possible science", the exploration of the human diaspora and part mystery thriller.
Whenever "ST: Enterprise" did such it seemed somewhat "falsified" or "lacking".

Took a long look at the Pre-history site link you left at at one of your recent images.
"ST: Enterprise" could have gone that root... and still incorporate those more interesting social dynamics that they did create for that show's background drama.
But they went for "product recognition" when it came to designing the shows's props and sets.
Their biggest error was right there, The Enterprise's "recognizable design".
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2011  Professional General Artist
Yep. I pretty much agree on all counts.
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Alpha5-3D Featured By Owner May 23, 2011
If I may join the conversation...

I like to think of STE as an alternate universe. Perhaps resulting from the Enterprise-E travreling back in time in First Contact. Between Cochrane seeing the hull design through the telescope, and Lily actually having been aboard, there would have had to be some influence.

I watched it all the way through, and there were a lot of contradictions to what had already been stated about the era. It annoyed me, but watching it with the above scenario in mind made it better. When Manny Coto was brought in to run the fourth season, and Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens started writing episodes, it got a lot better. They began to tie a lot of the inconsistencies together and give them plausible explanations, and it was just all-around more enjoyable to watch.

As for your new series of images, I like 'em. I've downloaded these ships as well, but haven't done anything with them yet. They definately fit in better with that era, based on descriptions from TOS.
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 23, 2011  Professional General Artist
Welcome to the chat! I agree that the fourth season started treating some good subjects and began tying in more with TOS, but I still found the actual scripts and direction to be dull and full of plot holes.

I wrote blog about Trek canon a while ago. Like religion, I think we all make Trek our own. I think we need to in order to have it be meaningful to us. Those of us who grew up watching TOS and then TAS will have a certain perspective. Those who grew up on the movies or Next Gen will almost certainly have a different perspective. And as far as the actual license canon, that changes from time to time and is ultimately dictated by what makes the most money/profit sense.

Anyway, for my sensibilities and expectations, STE didn't capture the early Federation years at all. But I can accept others may feel differently - and that's fine! But STE is not part of my "personal canon".
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Drell-7 Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
YAAA! KEWEL-orific!!
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
:lol:
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Ptrope Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Groovy! And while they're not really Cobb-like, the burning end definitely brings him to mind (although a burning Cobb is probably not something any of us want to see ;) ).
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
Nor a flaming Cobb, for that matter. I'm just not sure he'd look right with a pink feather boa.
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 22, 2011  Professional General Artist
But hey... if that's the way he wants to go, more power to him.

Um... wait. What were we talking about again?
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