It's hard to discuss the facts around issues like these without being labeled "politically biased"… and I fully admit my political views are usually liberal. But the saying that "reality has a liberal bias" seems to be more true with every passing day, I'm sad to say (really!). My own politics also means I have my own bones to pick with the ACA and its half-assed, market-based approach to the problem which continues to make our collective health a profit-based commodity. Many of the comments in my recent poll on "preferred approach to health care" illustrate just how much mis-information is flying around. So as a public service I'd like to point everyone to a few helpful links that clarify some of the chief factual distortions and outright lies that are muddying the waters of our recent national discussion around the ACA.
Please note I might try to chime in on a few of the comments, but there ain't no way in Hades I'm going to be able to engage in a discussion with everyone. My goal here is to try and find reliable and verifiable resources that are fact-based. It's a sad reality that, while the Internet affords us so many more news sources than we've known in the past, so much of that information is tainted or willfully misleading. So understanding all of the news we get requires more effort than ever as we have to do our own vetting. So I invite you to vet any of the claims in these listings on your own… just remember, finding an opposing view or statement is easy, but it doesn't always count as verifying your information. When in doubt you can always go to the source:
The Affordable Care Act, section-by-section: www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/…
OK, here's your quick resources for trying to make sense of some of the more contentious issues:
Politifact's List of the Top 16 Myths about the Health Care Law:
Media Matter's List of 15 Myths The Media Should Ignore During Obamacare Implementation:
Politifact's List of 10 Things Obamacare Supporters say that aren't Entirely True:
FactCheck.org's Obamacare Myths:
Some of you may be inclined to respond to these lists by killing the messenger (the media source). I ask you politely to refrain from that approach if you choose to comment and instead address the presented facts with your own supported fact-based challenges. To do otherwise is simply to avoid the issue all together.
Bottom line: I hope those of all political stripes that are confused by the swirl of "fact-like-info", truthiness, and spin on the ACA will get a clearer view of what it is and what it is not. But don't take my word for it... or these links. THINK! Do your homework and look at every voice with healthy skepticism tempered by reason.
Brave soul. I wasn't going to touch some of those idiotic comments with a ten foot pole.
The worst part is the media going along with the pusillanimous and false "well, if only the Democrats would give an inch!" narrative.
Madness scares me. It should scare everyone.... at least those with a shred of sanity left.
*sigh* My head hurts.
From what I've read, premiums are variable, but because the law doesn't force you to use the government plan, you can still use your insurance company if the premium is lower, so I'm not that worried about this end.
I'm starting to think that the GOP is just jealous that they didn't think of this first.
As someone once said (and I agree with, given what we've seen): "Republican's aren't really afraid Obamacare will fail, they're more afraid it'll succeed."
As childish as either side has acted over the last decade or so (locking the doors on the Republicans and changing the locks, making up easily-unverifiable lies about Obamacare to scare people), I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason for all this bickering was as petty as that.
Ah, good ole Mr. Etchasketch....
To be honest, I'm afraid for all of us.
As it stands, Federal positions (President, Congress, House, etc) are positions of prize... you get in, you win. You are set for LIFE. Between the pensions, the lifelong bodyguards and health care and other perks that come with it (not to mention the hefty sums of money thrown around you and sometimes AT you to win your favor)... its no WONDER people work to protect their own interests therein! It SHOULD be a position of servitude to the American People... but sadly, it isn't.
If you want a real good look at how it started to change, the episode "We Interrupt This Program" from "From The Earth to the Moon" is a pretty good one.
And they never correct themselves. They get away with it due to the fact Fox News is not a news channel but a entertainment channel....
... that is false advertising, just by the name alone.
You seem to be asserting that the Democrats are putting out as much misleading information as the GOP about the ACA. I challenge you to back that up with proof as it seems an obviously absurd assertion.
So what do you do in the healthcare industry? If you'd like to challenge the facts presented in the links, I welcome that. That's what this discussion is about.
"I hope those of all political stripes that are confused by the swirl of "fact-like-info", truthiness, and spin on the ACA will get a clearer view of what it is and what it is not. But don't take my word for it... or these links. THINK! Do your homework and look at every voice with healthy skepticism tempered by reason."
What part of "make up your own mind, be skeptical, and think" is my trying to decide for people?
Sure we could go 'round on some "facts are relative" angle, but the big ones - absurdities like Palin's "death panels" are clearly in the lies and total misrepresentations. I'm still not sure what this "naive assessment" is that you keep referring to? Care to explain? As for one side lying more than the other, I really think it's self-evident. The Democrats and their boosters can't hold a candle to whoppers like the death panels, the birthers, the "You lie!" moment (in which the accuser was totally wrong), climate change deniers, and a wealth of other absurd statements on various issues. The GOP wasn't always like this. It used to be a separate view based on an interpretation of the facts. But what we've seen arise in the last six years or so seems driven more by ideology and dogma that often flies in the face of facts. That is why so many life-long Republicans (I have friends and family among them) have turned their back on the party and gone independent in the last ten years. The party is shrinking... and there's good reason. To deny that is to close one's eyes to verifiable facts.
I'm flattered that you consider me a "political activist"! WOO-HOO, I've made it!!! It makes it sound like my words my actually hold sway, but I'm just a guy on DA like you... but one who's just frustrated by how twisted up the facts are getting in the recent discussion. Maybe you haven't been seeing the same polls and interviews that I have, but many people are really clueless about the facts surrounding the ACA. Maybe that's just OK with you given your disposition towards the law, so you've been turning a blind eye? Just a guess.
I don't think the ACA the BEST solution to our health care challenges .... but I do think it's decent fix "for now" - and an improvement over what we had before that. I live in Massachusetts where we've been running this type of system for years already, with moderate success. Whether it'll really help control premium costs nationally, we'll see. It's clear that the Right is doing their best to sabotage it by running scare ads to keep younger adults from signing up (www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpprCM…. There's doubting a program will work, and then there's actively working to sabotage its chances of success.
When you say the ACA is a joke, I'm guessing that you're primarily referring to the individual mandate? Or are there other aspects you find inadequate to the task? What approach are you promoting in order to replace it - and what parts would you replace? How would it more effectively solve the problem? As far as the ACA "handing everything over to the government", what are you specifically referring to? That sounds more like a reaction to the public option approach.
One last note, the trope of "everything the government touches turns to crap" is overused and tenuous at best. "We" love to say that and then say we have the best military on the planet in the next breath. And NASA accomplished the feat of putting a man on the Moon that has yet to be matched decades later. The EPA took rivers that could ignite in flame in the 60s and made them into thriving and swimmable water ways in just a couple of decades (I grew up next to one such cesspool). DARPA gave us many advancements, not the least of which was the seed that grew into the medium we're now communicating through. All the government, my friend. Sure, they've had a fair share of screw-ups, but the blanket statement holds no weight. Libertarians really need to rethink/refine that rallying cry.
I'm sad to say that, despite living in the UK, I have been stunned by those in the US who are, as you put perfectly, "... a confused citizenry that is uncertain whether lies, repeated after being dis-proven, must somehow be true."
I've also been dismissed as being unable to understand health care as I 'get it for free' (ie via the tax paid NHS). Obviously the person who said this was a Republican. Fwiw it seems to me that the members of the tea-party will take away every scrap of healthcare, food and housing from any citizen who cant pay, up to stepping over your bodies to steal your wallets.
I was shocked when Tort came in, possibly as much as all the people who voted for it then realised how it screwed them. Its actually quite scary what has been allowed to happen in US politics particularly over the last few years. I can't stand our current coalition, not that the other choices are much better. But the right wingers over in the US are bordering on the sociopathic and don't seem to care who knows it anymore as they have been allowed to get away with it for so long.
Hopefully they have gone too far this time and someone measures them up for some nice white jackets with buckles at the back.
That's how we do it in America.