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My buddy Tom (Drell-7) is always good for firing up my inner Trek geek. Recently he got to reexamine the Klingon "Bird of Prey" that debuted in the third Star Trek movie. I always liked the appearance of the design, but the further we got from STIII, the less sense it made. By the time we got to TNG, the exact same ship came in various sizes – perfectly scaled. Sure, it's obvious it was done to reuse the model and add ship variety on a budget, but it just added to the ship's woes and carried it further afield from plausibility in context of Trek's engineering rationale and real-world science.

Star Trek Klingon Bird of Prey by LiquidSoulDesign

Of course even its debut wasn't without hitches. Naming this a "Bird of Prey" (previously in Trek referring only to a specific Romulan ship or hull décor) confused things and made it appear that the show's producers didn't know or care about the integrity of Trek lore. Then, to add insult to injury, they painted red wings on the ventral surface, again evoking Romulans, not Klingons. Wassup wid dat?!??!

Klingon bird of prey by MightyMoose

Anyway, after listening to Tom wax dissingly about the ship in a recent discussion, I decided to rethink the design and try to lend it a plausible rationale in the TOS era. So here's my thoughts (fellow geeks, sharpen your sabers and spin up your prop beanies!):


SIZE: There's only one size to the ship – the size we saw landed on Vulcan at the start of STIV si0.twimg.com/profile_images/4… . That's about 55m, stem to stern. It's not inflatable, allowing you to blow more air in to make a bigger ship. You can NOT fit a pair of whales in here.

ENGINEERING: As we can see the ship does not feature any bussard collectors or intakes, but this does not preclude it from having warp capability. It just limits the range as it can not refuel from the interstellar medium, pointing to a mission which is dramatically different from most "starships". Thus it fits better as a "warp-capable system defense craft". It has limited warp capability - not enough for sustained travel - but enough to engage a warp driven opponent in a localized combat. It can do up to warp 4, though only for limited periods. The plus size is that it can accelerate to speed faster than nearly any other vessel in the Federation fleet.

The shields on the ship are limited and mostly just cover the forward and lower surfaces. This provides protection during attacks (retreat? what's a retreat? we don't need no steekin' aft shields!) as well as a projected aeroshell during operations within an atmosphere.

The habitable space on this ship is VERY limited, but given the scope of its duties (in-system defense), that's not a real problem. There is cramped bunk space, a small mess, head, torp room, bridge, and transporters. But the rest of the ship is mostly engineering as it needs to contain a lot in a small hull size. I figure a crew of eight.

The ship has powerful weapons for such a small craft, but then that's its function: to get into faction fast and give a bloody nose. If the ship needs to travel between star systems, it must do so in the presence of a tanker for refueling. I picture tankers designed to supply 4-6 of these at a time, so in that sense the ship can almost be thought of as a Klingon fighter.

COLOR: OK, just paint over that red underwing design. The panels themselves are Klingon looking enough… and this erases and visual erroneous connection between this ship and a Romulan design.

Klingon Bird-of-Prey Retro B'Rel Class wallpaper 3 by Drzu

So that's my take on the (ship formerly known as) the BoP: clipped wings, but sharp beak. OK… call me a Trek revisionist if you must, but the Trek canon after TMP just got increasingly hard to swallow (read: compromised by too many cooks and production necessities) for my tastes. But with such nice looking raw materials, it'd be a shame to just throw the baby out with the bath water. Better to dump the water and start fresh :D

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Black-Knyght Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very nicely done! I really like this assessment.
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Professional General Artist
Have you read the books?
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Colourbrand Featured By Owner May 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OooooooooooooooH!

I thought I was the only one....

I love the Bird of Prey as a design. It has a clever characteristic of a raider, a striker, and an infiltraitor - better than the Sith Infiltraitor design. This ship say painted dark grey or black would be a nice thing to have in the Star Wars universe.

Alas, this is the bug bear to me with this ship; its not a trek vessel. Its grimy, its got greebles, moving parts, Uber guns, and worse, no nacelles.

Call me a luddite but trek ships should be smooth, nacelles, witn no mechanical traits - those belong to Star Wars.

As for the BoP being so, blame Len Nimoy and his writers on Trek 3. Originally the ship was going to be piloted by Romulans, but Len and Co said Klingons would be a better choice. The problem then emerged on the BoP's origin; so the original concept of it being Romulans became "Romulan Ship that he stole"; the idea then just fizzled out due to writer laziness.

As for the size, the DS9 tech manual states there were two classes of BoP - the B'rel and the larger K'Vort. The latter got featued in Yesterday's Enterprise and The Defector (where they were as big as the Galaxy class!)

I put it down to lazy F**ks.

Great blog - especially the links ;)
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Ienkoron Featured By Owner May 12, 2013
I remember hearing somewhere that the BoP in STIII was meant to have been a Captured Romulan ship, but then it kinda got lumped into the Klingon Empire, so maybe it's a hold over from the earlier Romulan/Klingon tech-swap 15 or so years earlier....
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GhostBirdofPrey Featured By Owner May 11, 2013
Oh lordy, not this discussion.
My two pet peeve discussions in the sci-fi community is the Battletech Unseen-Reseen debacle and what size(s) the Klingon Bird of Prey comes in.

This is what happens when they are running on a budget. While I don't mind them reusing stuff to save money (they reused LOTS of ship models and props), it does irk me when the executives just ignore inconsistencies thinking the viewership is stupid or some such. I can take the technobabble if it's consistent, but when they change their tune it can potentially interfere with the storytelling.

The giant BoPs seen a couple times on TNG are an aberration, really, most depictions put it around the same size as the Defiant, though internal volume is less.
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As for your ideas. I have to ask about the warp drive issue. Warp 4 seems kind of slow, how can you expect to catch anything with that? Also, I think less size space for fuel tankage is going to be a larger consideration than lack of bussard ramjets. We can't even say it lacks a collection mechanism either; it manages to screen interstellar medium out without a deflector dish, so it could very well suck it in using a different mechanism as well.

Also: no aft shields? Maybe weaker ones, but it seems bad to have NONE, sure you expect to be shot in the front but being shot in the back or even having something explode behind you is a possibility (think main battle tank, front towards the enemy but, while thin, it still has some armor on the back). Similarly the upper surfaces might needs some protection.
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 11, 2013  Professional General Artist
>>My two pet peeve discussions in the sci-fi community is the Battletech Unseen-Reseen debacle and what size(s) the Klingon Bird of Prey comes in.

Well this isn't THAT discussion. It's more my own statement of how I tried to salvage a cool vehicle from the hideous mess that commercially-driven Trek canon had made of it.

As for warp 4, doing 64 times light speed seems plenty for a point defense role. It's advantage is that it can hit warp marks faster than any other craft. So basically it kills in warp drag race, even if it tops out earlier. Sure, that's only an advantage of seconds, but sometimes that's all you need for an edge. If it maxe at warp five, that's 125 light speed. So that's covering the distance from Earth to Sun in about 4 seconds. Again, for point defense warp 4 works well... though warp 5 might be worth considering, even if it is a bit overkill for the role.

Re: shields. Yeah, maybe weaker ones. But no aft shields is just kinda fun from a crazy Klingon psychology POV. And if ya can't have fun with things, what's the point;)
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Digital-Jedi Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The Romulans started using D7-Class Klingon ships in Kirk's era. The weren't always enemies. "The Enterprise Incident" established they were sharing tech at that time. We didn't see any animosity between the two until The Next Generation series, almost 85 years later. But that always made sense to me why they both had a Bird of Prey. Because of their previous, apparently very close, alliance.

Also, the Bird of Prey is supposed to have two classes, and a couple of different sizes. But both are supposedly around 130-160 meters. Where did you get 55?
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Professional General Artist
>>Where did you get 55?

Scale analysis of the images we see in STVI with people walking out the boarding ramp. That puts it at 55-60m, unless the ramp suddenly makes one VERY tall ;)
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Digital-Jedi Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:O
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 10, 2013  Professional General Artist
The 130-160m figure, best as I can recall, didn't come into play until the ship started making appearances in TNG. At that point the varying ship sizes became referenced in the writer's bible. So it's really a symptom of what I was talking about - how as the further away we get from the ship's debut appearance, the more muddled and fudged the facts about it become.
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DrOfDemonology Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Professional Writer
Despite all the ridiculous stuff that you point out very well, I always liked the basic look of the Klingon BoP ~ and the *original* non-inflated size; just a dozen crew or so (and yes, no effing way could it fit a couple of humpbacks).

But Trek is famous for reusing stuff to save on the budget; they reuse *everything* they have, including story plots. No surprise they birded this ship to death ;p
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Professional General Artist
Yeah, I'm with you. I like the look of the design.... it just needed more solid story backing it up.
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Deepblu742 Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
I concur with this "many classes, same design problem" with the BoP. Remember reading various manuals that it was originally scout sized and was later scaled up over the years (K'vort & others)...the long thin wings and fragile neck don't seem robust enough to be a large less nimble combat vessel, unlike the Negh'var and Vor'cha that exude a heavy architecture.

I wonder if it'd be interesting to extend the range of this suggested BoP with augmented deutrerium tanks like that of John Eaves' D5 tanker design [link] ...similar to P-51's over Germany to be used as drop tanks during combat?

But yeah, if you need a cruiser rock the Vor'cha, a dreadnought: Negh'var, old skool era: a D7, why make the BoP so generic?
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 9, 2013  Professional General Artist
Drop tanks are a novel idea, though the extra mass will effect their impulse speed.
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Deltigar Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
I have always thought that the similarities might be compared to how the Romans copied the Greeks in so many ways.
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TrekkieGal Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The fact is the BoP had a bad rap from production thanks to the more hated people at Paramount.


First Lets Visit Star Trek III:
As originally conceived, the Klingon variant of the Bird-of-Prey was actually a Romulan ship; the script of Star Trek III at first called for the film's main villains to be Romulans using a Romulan Bird-of-Prey, as had been typical of Bird-of-Prey use in Star Trek: The Original Series. In other early drafts of the movie's script, the Bird-of-Prey was suggested as having been stolen, by the ship's Klingon commander, from the Romulans. Later script revisions dropped the ship's connection to the Romulans but the craft's designation as a Bird-of-Prey remained unchanged.

Concerning the use of the Bird-of-Prey designation, Harve Bennett (Star Trek III's writer and producer) once stated, "The Bird-of-Prey was a homeless bird there, in a sense, being used by multi-cultures. But I think what we wanted to do was establish it clearly as a Klingon, because of its evil-looking nature and its name: the Bird-of-Prey." (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (Special Edition)) The red "feather design" of the wings' underside was nevertheless designed with the original Romulan Bird-of-Prey in mind.

As TOS: "The Enterprise Incident" had established that the Romulans and Klingons were briefly allied and exchanged technologies, it was frequently speculated that the Klingon Bird-of-Prey that first appeared in Star Trek III could be a result of this alliance, which no longer existed at the time of the film's setting. This possibility was finally disproved with the introduction of an earlier but similar style of Klingon Bird-of-Prey in Star Trek: Enterprise, set before the Romulan-Klingon Alliance.


So Once again an Easy fix for a complicated problem with a stupid solution. Next...Size:
Nilo Rodis originally devised the studio model with a length of 360ft (roughly 110m) as illustrated on the ILM size comparison chart for "Star Trek III". However, there are few to no details on the miniature that would allow to verify this figure. A possible approach to determine the ship's dimensions based on its structure is to take the rectangular lights in the BoP nose section and the forward engineering hull as windows. This gives us two decks above the cloaking device bulge and two below. If these decks have a height of 3m each, the intended length of 110m can be confirmed.

Star Trek III The Klingon ship is called "Bird-of-Prey class" by Sulu and has a crew complement of twelve. The VFX comparison with the Merchantman is a moot case, because the freighter was rendered much too small apparently just for the dramatic impact of the mighty Bird-of-Prey destroying it. It would require a huge BoP for the Merchantman to be reasonably large, but this would be in strong contradiction to most of the later appearances of the very same BoP (which will become the "HMS Bounty" in "Star Trek IV"). The comparison of the BoP and the Enterprise in "Star Trek III" corroborates the intended 110m for the most part, although it would basically permit a small 60m BoP just as well. When the ship has landed on Vulcan at the end of the movie, there is a very brief scene with a person leaving the aft exit hatch, pointing to an overall length of roughly 100m.

Star Trek IV A very similar scene as at the end of the previous movie shows a number of people standing on the hatch of the "HMS Bounty", but this time they appear to be much taller, making the ship only 50m long. On the other hand, the same "HMS Bounty" is said to have a 60ft (~20m) cargo bay, big enough to hold two 45-50ft (>15m) humpback whales. Fitting this cargo bay into a 50m ship is virtually impossible, since the rearward section is just not long enough -- especially considering that the aft end is indented and the impulse engines need some room too, at least a couple of meters. So 60m is the absolute minimum length for the ship, but then the whole engineering section would be nothing but a cargo bay. In this case the question would be what the Klingons need with such a single spacious room on a warship, with all other sections being incredibly crammed?


In the end the entire run of use of this ship Paramount either Changed the Bridge Drastically, as well as interior, and never scaled the ship correctly to begin ith. So I'll go wih 110 m only because the guy who actual made the damn model is the only person to trust.

Warp Capability:
Best thing about space, your surrounded by Hydrogen so why do you necessarily need exposed buzzards. And yes the cloaking device sensor also acts as deflector. I can still buy it as a limited Defense vessel as it only has a crew of 12...you ain't doing any 5 year missions with this one.

Sources: emory Alpha-ExAstris Scientia- and IMHO.:
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Professional General Artist
The IMHO is what I respect more. I ain't got much time for the corrupted dogma of "official Trek canon" :)
Thanks for the detailed background!
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Deepblu742 Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
But, but...it's like "US Weekly" for Trekkies! Better than crack...B-)
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TrekkieGal Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well it's Obvisious that the Klingon BoP was suppose to be a Romulan BoP hands down. Anyone who saw ST III was automatically expecting them to be Romulan. In hindsight, I know the story was written for Klingons, bu truthfully...I'm not buying into the share program, and neither did they if there were Klingon BoP in Enterprise. I still mark it up as one of the most mishandled situations ever presented in Star Trek Thanks to the People at Paramount.
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Deepblu742 Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
Mmm interesting info, concerning the "The Enterprise Incident" of the Rommies using grey D-7s and the suggestion of an alliance, that may have been damage control from some studio fallout concerning budgets and who owned the rights to what models. Check out this [link], scroll down to the paragraph "Models".
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TrekkieGal Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah yes Wah Chang, which is ahame that a Union guild would go to these ends. But that's neither here nor there. The fct is he script originally stated it was to be a Romulan BoP. And from the looks of it, that's what she was suppose to be.
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Deepblu742 Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
Agreed, but at least it might suggest the studio would have an M.O. in making a design fit any story whenever problems arise.

I can't help but feel like these ancient Trek studio rumors are like classified CIA documents, we'll prob never learn the real story <insert x-files music>.
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TrekkieGal Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
heir had to be some somewhere, after all...AMT made the Models!
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Chrisofedf Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Professional Filmographer
I love the design but I see what your getting at :) I did quite like the version in ENT though :) even if it did confuse the klingon design lineage a bit.

Thanks for the feature :)
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darquewanderer Featured By Owner May 7, 2013
I've never liked it being called a Bird of Prey. That's Romulan. Period. I've also hated the "multi-scale" approach used in the various offerings.
The overall design to me is Klingon. Yes I've read where this was supposed to be a Romulan ship and yes I understand about the pact, but the design in no way impresses me as a Romulan ship.
The coloration is too green for my Klingon blood to stand. The original TOS D-7, which I have seen at the Smithsonian, was green/grey on the Cobra head and grey/green at engineering. Having said that, I don't particularly mind the red, as it helps emphasize the ablative armor cladding. But I believe that since this class of ship was built after the K't'inga, it should have the same basic coloration as the K't'inga.
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Professional General Artist
Of course we don't really know that the design post-dates the K'Tinga... it just appeared in a later film.
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darquewanderer Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
True.
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SpaceCowboy5000 Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The BOP was riddled with problems. Me, I didn't like the color; it was so ... green! Again like the Roms! Klingon ships were always various shades of gray so what were the Klingon BOP designers thinking? "Oooh! Green is so pretty!" And, yeah, painting the feathers red really helped. This ship's colors made it look like it should be in a Mardis Gras parade. The D7M will always be THE Klingon ship for me. So there.
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dgtrekker Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
The original series had the Romulans using D-7 battlecruisers because of the Romulan/Klingon alliance, of course this was also another use of a cool model to get more mileage out of it, so there is always the possibility that Romulans designed the BofP and the Klingons picked them up on sale.
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celticarchie Featured By Owner May 7, 2013
Oh you are not gonna rant about the Klingon BOP are you?! :O

Look...it was a successful design, so the Klingon's made a larger version, that's it that's all...move along. :facepalm:
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Professional General Artist
JJ-Trek dumb.
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celticarchie Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
Nah...it ain't.

Klingon ship scale issues are forgiveable, same as it's forgiveable to use stock shots of the TOS Enterprise from the pilot, in the middle of Season 2! Same way it's forgiveable to use the Spacedock from Star Trek III and use it in TNG. Note that the refit Enterprise barely fits through them spacedoors, and the Excelsior - twice the width of the Enterprise(!) manages to fit though them too? :O

No one moans that the Reliant/Grissom/Saratoga Bridges are just redresses of the Enterprise's bridge, or that the Enterprise-D's (and any Star Trek ship) corridors and sickbay are redresses of the sets used for The Motion Picture. Or that the torpedo bay in Star Trek II is a redress of the Klingon bridge from TMP! :)

You got to remember when you're bosses (The Studio) just want a low-budget Sci-Fi flick/show they can feed to the nerds, you need to be as cost effective as you can.

It's not dumb...it's very clever. :nod:
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kenham1 Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
If you are treating your audience as retards who dont think, you dont deserve any consideration or slack on screwups. Scaling issues could have been fixed or dealt with if they actualy GAVE A MOMENTS THOUGHT.

As far as reusing bridges? Thats actually believable, since not every ship has a unique bridge layout. Standardizing layouts only makes sense with multiple runs of class.

Again, if your premise is based on having your audience not think, then you have completely FAILED
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celticarchie Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
Do realise that 99.999999% of the time I'm teasing Rob. :)
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kenham1 Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Possibly :P

But that doesnt alter the fact that 100% of the stupidity on the part of the clowns in control could have been fixed properly or dealt with if they had some respect for the series, and the fans.
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celticarchie Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
Also note that most of the physical models used at the time were not in-scale with each other, to get them in scale they had to film to models at distance, or play with the camera lens. There are limitations to physical model filming, intelligent audience members realise this and give some fudge room. ;P

Of course using obviously different shuttle models in following scenes representing the same shuttle is just slopping...mentioning no names...(cough-Voyager).

Today it's much easier in the computer because all the ships are made to scale...there is no issue in that regard any more.

But regarding back in the day physical model special effects, I'll always be on the side of the SFX guys grafting away on a 24 hour, 7 day a week shift trying to get effects out the door on a TV budget, sweat, dry ice and the business end of a vacuum cleaner. :nana: Those are the guys who have my respect.
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kenham1 Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
No, lets mention Voyager :)

The utter IDIOCY of having a starship that size land, just because some asswipe thought it would look kewl was bad enough... but having those teeny landing claws?? Ay yi yi....

SFX was always better back when they had to work at it. Just look at the detail in the ISDs back in ep IV-VI; or the refit Enterprise and Reliant. Part of it now is CG, but also the instant gratification crowd part of it. Compare Enterprise fighting Reliant; you had a look and feel of 2 capital starships in a BATTLE. Then, we go to TNG, and DS9. And god help us, the wall of ships with EVERYONE trying to have dogfights with multi-million ton starships. Not only did it LOOK STUPID, but it just never, ever had the feeling that that ST II battle did. Sad
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Professional General Artist
See, it's dumb because it was a production mistake/shortcut that was simply fudged and incorporated into canon.... unlike the warp-driven, backwards Tholian or reuse of the Botany Bay as a "contemporary" freighter where, once the opportunity arose with Remasterded they just tossed the production shortcut out the window. Dd they do that with TNG remastered? I suspect not.

I guess I call it dumb when such an obvious shortcut is taken without a wink and nod that we all know it was a budget driven fudge.
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celticarchie Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
bah...it's still forgiveable.

If you want perfectly budgeted Trek where they can redesign everything...go watch JJ-Trek. :banned:
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 8, 2013  Professional General Artist
You mean that thing that used a brewery as a starship engineering room?
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celticarchie Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
It's either that or the Sarlaac Pit...if ya catch my drift. ;P

Okay...scale rant forgiven. Just don't forget none of the models they used were 'in-scale' with each other, in order to get different scales they had to film the model from far away, or adjust the camera lens and there are limits to practical model effects.
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Deepblu742 Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
Ha, c'mon Arcras everyone knows warp plasma brews just like your favorite hefeweizen. ;)
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Professional General Artist
Dumb....
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celticarchie Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
Nah...
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Jorga1974 Featured By Owner May 7, 2013
From what I've heard the Klingon Bird of Prey is a minor redesign of the Romulan ships are the Romulans gave them the cloaking tech. Good rant though I always love to talk about trek stuff. ^w^
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Kevin-McKee Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, weren't there references in the series about Klingon-Romulan collaborations? I seem to remember a friend of mine (a rabid Trekkie who went to every movie premiere in a Captain's uniform) telling me so, so I would assume that the Romulan-esque characteristics of the ship reflect that.
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Taka67 Featured By Owner May 7, 2013
But you can fit whales into it, I distinctly remember Scotty saying "thar be whales here Captain" as a child watching STIV.

Plus, has anyone actually seen a Klingon bird-of-prey? Because it looks more like a goose. Or is that a Romulan falcon?
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Phaeton99 Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
In reference to the BoP topic: [link]
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RobCaswell Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Professional General Artist
Yep - discussed a bit above.
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Phaeton99 Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
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